We're currently putting the finishing touches to the November podcast, and it should be available to download here from 18 November.

Duration: 22:58

In the October edition of the New Humanist podcast, we bring you interviews with two of the contributors to the latest issue of the magazine, plus a look ahead to the return of our rational live Christmas shows Nine Lessons and Carols for Godless People.

First, we talk to Owen Jones (00:40), whose first book Chavs: The Demonisation of the Working Class (Verso) has been credited with reopening the tough debate around class in modern Britain. Owen describes the reaction to the book in his article for New Humanist, and in the podcast we ask him how his arguments have fared in light of the August riots, which saw him catapulted into the spotlight as a media commentator (he was in the Newsnight studio when historian David Starkey infamously declared that "the whites have become black").

Next, comedian Robin Ince (11:07) enters our studio/meeting room to discuss his plans for the forthcoming Christmas rationalist shows, plus what else he's been up to and what he thinks of our new offices. Listen for news of some surpsise potential musical guests at this year's shows.

Finally, journalist Sam Delaney (17:12) talks faith and football. He's a staunch West Ham fan, and when they were relegated from the Premier League last season, the religious parallels in his blind faith became all-too apparent. 

Original music © Andrea Rocca